with Chef Alice Waters of Chez Panisse
StarChefs: What are you most proud of from your work with
Edible School Yard Program and the Garden Project of the San Francisco
Alice Waters: Both programs are really transformational
in a profound way. The Garden Project demonstrates over the years
that working in the garden and offering people food really changes
you and heals you. The Garden Project has been the model for the
Edible School Yard at the Martin Luther King Jr. Middles School
here in Berkeley. After all, the program works wonders for jail
inmates, people with very serious problems, so wouldn't you get
even better results with kids? It's very satisfying for me to be
able to tell people about these programs and have them immediately
want to give their money and support. I've always believed that
if you're doing the right thing, the money will come.
SC: What advice would you give to people around the country
for starting these programs in their communities?
AW: Believe that it can be done. And being shown model projects
can be very inspiring. I was moved by my first exposure to the garden
at the San Francisco County Jail. Hearing Catherine Sneed, the Director
of the Garden Project is quite motivational and visiting the garden
is a great way to understand. Bring in people from the community
who have related businesses who can end their names and support
initially. They will bring other people. This gives programs credibility.
And when there's a garden, people will see the results of the work
and it can't help but seem so purposeful and right.
SC: You are the pioneer in eating seasonally and cooking
with organic ingredients. What was it in your life that made you
take this road?
AW: It just grew--organically! I went to France when I was
nineteen. This was my first connection with farmer's markets and
real food. I loved what I ate and I wanted that kind of food here.
Since its inception, the restaurant has been searching for high
quality, delicious ingredients. As we moved along, I realized that
the best tasting food came from the people who were taking care
of the land and nourishing it. These were the organic farmers. So
it all just sort of came together...
SC: StarChefs is assembling a database of every farmer's
market in the country. What tips can you give our audience on the
best way to shop in farmer's markets if they have only shopped in
AW: Most vendors at farmer's markets will let you taste
their produce. Tasting the food is a great part of the market. Also
buy small amounts of lots of different things. This way you can
see how to cook with them and work with a variety of foods, instead
of getting a lot of one thing. I would go to the market without
any expectations about what I want to eat and cook that day. See
what is ripe and best and buy that. Then go back and look in cookbooks
to see what you can do with it.
SC: You were so eloquent and inspirational at the James Beard
Awards talking about the importance of eating locally and building
relationships with farmers. Please share some of these insights
with the StarChefs audience.
AW: Over twenty-five years at Chez Panisse, I have seen
the relationships we have with the people who grow the food for
us broaden. We take responsibility for each other: they need us
and we need them. There's a very satisfying, back-and-forth of communication
that brings us together like family. Having this support system
helps you feel so purposeful in what you're doing.
SC: For the generations to come, what can we do for the children
in inner cities to encourage a greater appreciation of the land
AW: Change the curriculum in schools! That's the way to
reach everyone. There are lots of wonderful programs that bring
kids out to farms and get gardens started in communities and schools.
But we need activities, big and small, that everyone in school can
participate in. We got the middle school here in Berkeley where
we started the Edible Schoolyard to join a CSA farm (CSA stands
for community-supported agriculture). Every week the farm delivers
seven boxes to the classrooms, and opening the boxes is like a wonderful
show-and-tell. Sometimes the students prepare the vegetables in
the classrooms, and sometimes they take them home for their families
to prepare. They've visited the farm, too. It's been a great experience.
And just going to a farmer's market is a way for city kids to begin
to understand their relationship to the land.
SC: What have you learned from your work with children?
AW: They're hungry for good food. They are hungry for people
to pay attention to them. They need to be taken care of and appreciated,
but too often they're neglected. As soon as you give them a little
attention, their response is incredible. Even teenagers! Positive
reinforcement is so essential to their lives. So many of us are
so busy, we don't give them this. The garden can help them: it's
a tangible way of showing how actions have consequences--if you
plant it and take care of it, it will grow!
SC: For the very few people who are not familiar with your
restaurant, what was you inspiration for Chez Panisse?
AW: Definitely my trip to France when I was nineteen. I
went to farmer's markets for the first time. I was there in 1963,
which was a great time for French food, because you could still
get so much wonderful produce directly from the people who grew
SC: For those who want to pursue a career as a chef and/or
restaurateur, what path should they take?
AW: When I look at resumes, I'm interested in people who
have experience in gardens. To learn how to farm is a great path.
There's an intensive farming course at the University of Santa Cruz
that teaches you the basics of gardening. Growing your own food
is a one of the best introductions to working in the kitchen. And
apprenticeships in good kitchens can also be very beneficial. Culinary
schools can teach you basic techniques, which is helpful, but traveling,
eating and reading are all essential to mastering this profession.
SC: If you could have lunch or dinner with someone in history,
who would that be? What would you serve?
AW: Thomas Jefferson. Because as an avid gardener, he would
probably appreciate something like the very first peas of the season.
I would just steam a bowl of wonderful, fresh-picked peas with a
pat of really good butter and maybe some basil.